Comments on: Full Product Release http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/ Building tools for replicable, open source, post-scarcity resilient communities Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:49:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Shalagram http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-92089 Shalagram Tue, 17 May 2011 20:03:45 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-92089 If you want more people to use your machine, you should design it to make more than one size block. 6x12 is a medium sized block, and compared to a full size 10x14 block, twice as many are needed. This means twice as much work to build an indentically-sized wall. Therefore to properly compare production times you have to cut them in half. Now your machine compares to the AECT 3500 (for example) which makes 500 blocks per hour. But, using yours still requires twice as much block-laying. The walls will also have less strength, because the weakest part is the joints between the blocks. 6x12 is a great size, but you should consider modifications to allow for 10x14 at 4 inch height. Obviously that would not be difficult if the original chamber is 10x14 and you had a solid insert to reduce the size to 6x12, and a removable press head mechanism that allowed interchangable heads. The other thing to consider is to make the hydraulic pressure automatically compensate to achieve a uniform block height. This tremendously reduces block-laying time and allows for a thin slurry which can be done by very inexperienced workers, as opposed to a mortar which takes much longer and requires more experience. It also saves time and/or money on the amount of material (slurry/mortar) needed for building and further increases wall shear strength. If you were able to make these two modifications you might just have one of the premier block machines in the world. I would certainly buy one. I might even consider one with just the first modification, but especially for unskilled workers, having a uniform block height is invaluable. If you want more people to use your machine, you should design it to make more than one size block. 6×12 is a medium sized block, and compared to a full size 10×14 block, twice as many are needed. This means twice as much work to build an indentically-sized wall.

Therefore to properly compare production times you have to cut them in half. Now your machine compares to the AECT 3500 (for example) which makes 500 blocks per hour. But, using yours still requires twice as much block-laying. The walls will also have less strength, because the weakest part is the joints between the blocks.

6×12 is a great size, but you should consider modifications to allow for 10×14 at 4 inch height. Obviously that would not be difficult if the original chamber is 10×14 and you had a solid insert to reduce the size to 6×12, and a removable press head mechanism that allowed interchangable heads.

The other thing to consider is to make the hydraulic pressure automatically compensate to achieve a uniform block height. This tremendously reduces block-laying time and allows for a thin slurry which can be done by very inexperienced workers, as opposed to a mortar which takes much longer and requires more experience. It also saves time and/or money on the amount of material (slurry/mortar) needed for building and further increases wall shear strength.

If you were able to make these two modifications you might just have one of the premier block machines in the world. I would certainly buy one. I might even consider one with just the first modification, but especially for unskilled workers, having a uniform block height is invaluable.

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By: Nagpada http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-91597 Nagpada Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:46:43 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-91597 Does anyone have any input on using this with fly ash which is an waste product and available in vast amounts at some locations. Feel free to comment. Does anyone have any input on using this with fly ash which is an waste product and available in vast amounts at some locations. Feel free to comment.

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By: Mitra Ardron http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-91574 Mitra Ardron Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:17:02 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-91574 Great to see this, but both the links to the plans on openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu above are broken, and the ones on the wiki: http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/File:Liberator_2_Design_1.blend seem to be much older (2009) while the product page: http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Full_Produce_Release_-_The_Liberator?old-url=slash just has a scan of a spec? I'm not sure if I'm just finding the Wiki hard to navigate, or whether its not intended that it be buildable, or its just not done yet. Great to see this, but both the links to the plans on openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu above are broken, and the ones on the wiki:
http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/File:Liberator_2_Design_1.blend
seem to be much older (2009) while the product page:
http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Full_Produce_Release_-_The_Liberator?old-url=slash
just has a scan of a spec?

I’m not sure if I’m just finding the Wiki hard to navigate, or whether its not intended that it be buildable, or its just not done yet.

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By: Modular CEB Construction | Factor E Farm Blog http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-91034 Modular CEB Construction | Factor E Farm Blog Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:33:21 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-91034 [...] focusing on preparation for CEB construction. We are evolving a Modular Building System based on CEBs, the next fork after our initial directions. — Hey [...] [...] focusing on preparation for CEB construction. We are evolving a Modular Building System based on CEBs, the next fork after our initial directions. — Hey [...]

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By: DON LOWERY http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-91000 DON LOWERY Mon, 29 Nov 2010 11:02:27 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-91000 PLEASE SEND CONTACT INFORMATION DON LOWERY 256 6034952 PLEASE SEND CONTACT INFORMATION
DON LOWERY 256 6034952

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By: 100 More Fruit Trees and Update | Open Source Ecology http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-90462 100 More Fruit Trees and Update | Open Source Ecology Sat, 07 Aug 2010 00:59:49 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-90462 [...] still, though we think this will turn around any day if we get a couple of sales from our first Full Product Release. It appears that this will take more than passive marketing on our side – but we are [...] [...] still, though we think this will turn around any day if we get a couple of sales from our first Full Product Release. It appears that this will take more than passive marketing on our side – but we are [...]

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By: Backwoodsman» Blog Archive » Odds ‘n Sods: http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-89050 Backwoodsman» Blog Archive » Odds ‘n Sods: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:26:30 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-89050 [...] S. forwarded a link to a piece on building with compressed earth bricks (CEBs) (Also called compressed earth [...] [...] S. forwarded a link to a piece on building with compressed earth bricks (CEBs) (Also called compressed earth [...]

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By: Pipping and Growing | Open Source Ecology http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-88286 Pipping and Growing | Open Source Ecology Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:48:28 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-88286 [...] Farm. In a few days, Sean and I will begin full fabrication documentation video on the next copy of The Liberator open source CEB press, where the funding basket for it is filling as we [...] [...] Farm. In a few days, Sean and I will begin full fabrication documentation video on the next copy of The Liberator open source CEB press, where the funding basket for it is filling as we [...]

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By: Getting Ready To Build: A Better Future | Open Source Ecology http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-87775 Getting Ready To Build: A Better Future | Open Source Ecology Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:02:36 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-87775 [...] Since he’s been here, we’ve seen full product release of the open source CEB press, The Liberator, and we’ve had significant progress on the open source tractor, LifeTrac Prototype II. We [...] [...] Since he’s been here, we’ve seen full product release of the open source CEB press, The Liberator, and we’ve had significant progress on the open source tractor, LifeTrac Prototype II. We [...]

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By: Open Source Drill Press: Prototype Debut | Open Source Ecology http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-84494 Open Source Drill Press: Prototype Debut | Open Source Ecology Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:12:37 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-84494 [...] optimization for The Liberator open source CEB press involves designing and deploying four, heavy duty, open source, fabrication [...] [...] optimization for The Liberator open source CEB press involves designing and deploying four, heavy duty, open source, fabrication [...]

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By: Leo Dearden http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-82298 Leo Dearden Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:23:46 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-82298 Marcin and all other contributors, Congratulations, and thank you so much for your work, and your contribution to the world. This is a marvel and a triumph. It's now also on my list of things to make. :-) Marcin and all other contributors,

Congratulations, and thank you so much for your work, and your contribution to the world. This is a marvel and a triumph.

It’s now also on my list of things to make. :-)

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By: tanium http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-81568 tanium Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:10:35 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-81568 Congratulations, this is great news! Hope you get the publicity you deserve for that project, so that you can easily fund the next ... Especially, I like the high-quality documentation you are preparing for the CEB press. (This is still lacking for many other open design projects, so far.) Congratulations, this is great news! Hope you get the publicity you deserve for that project, so that you can easily fund the next …

Especially, I like the high-quality documentation you are preparing for the CEB press. (This is still lacking for many other open design projects, so far.)

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By: Marcin http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-81052 Marcin Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:58:43 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-81052 Check out<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQCy-UrLYw&feature=player_embedded#!" rel="nofollow"> this powerful talk </a> for a lucid reality check - by our leading competitor in the field of relief housing, Vinay of Hexayurt - as linked above:) This took place at the recent <a href="http://uncivilisation.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Dark Mountain Festival</a> in the UK, and the organizers appear to be well-worth listening to. Check out this powerful talk for a lucid reality check – by our leading competitor in the field of relief housing, Vinay of Hexayurt – as linked above:) This took place at the recent Dark Mountain Festival in the UK, and the organizers appear to be well-worth listening to.

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By: Abe http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-81014 Abe Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:41:43 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-81014 Congratulations! I hope to see more products like this come out of FeF (maybe a torch table?!?!?!) I do think a machine like this will make a lot of sense to someone who will be building several buildings, or possibly a group of people wanting to build several houses. The costs can then be divided between the several projects. For a one-off small house, it is probably a DIY project, or use adobes or slip-form instead. (or maybe buy your bricks from someone who has a machine, like I did!) Congratulations! I hope to see more products like this come out of FeF (maybe a torch table?!?!?!)

I do think a machine like this will make a lot of sense to someone who will be building several buildings, or possibly a group of people wanting to build several houses. The costs can then be divided between the several projects.

For a one-off small house, it is probably a DIY project, or use adobes or slip-form instead. (or maybe buy your bricks from someone who has a machine, like I did!)

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By: LucasG http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2010/06/full-product-release/comment-page-1/#comment-80970 LucasG Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:48:04 +0000 http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1977#comment-80970 Marcin, William, all involved in each and every step: well done, congratulations, and thank you very much! I've just written part of this in Spanish, over at my blog http://imagina-canarias.blogspot.com/2010/06/liberacion-del-liberador.html It looks like you're well on your way to building even greater stuff over the Summer. If you invite folks to work on laying bricks with you, maybe someone is interested in how http://hexayurt.com has a first unit installed in Haiti. It's made from plywood and it looks like it can be built in no time, say at the start of a "building with bricks" month. The 5-year vision is great. But, in terms of excitement, I'd say this year is even greater. How come reporters are not flocking around your site? Again: well done, congratulations, and thank you very much. I'm honoured to be a True Fan. Marcin, William, all involved in each and every step: well done, congratulations, and thank you very much!

I’ve just written part of this in Spanish, over at my blog http://imagina-canarias.blogspot.com/2010/06/liberacion-del-liberador.html

It looks like you’re well on your way to building even greater stuff over the Summer. If you invite folks to work on laying bricks with you, maybe someone is interested in how http://hexayurt.com has a first unit installed in Haiti. It’s made from plywood and it looks like it can be built in no time, say at the start of a “building with bricks” month.

The 5-year vision is great. But, in terms of excitement, I’d say this year is even greater. How come reporters are not flocking around your site?

Again: well done, congratulations, and thank you very much. I’m honoured to be a True Fan.

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