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		<title>By: Full Product Release &#124; Open Source Ecology</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-80949</link>
		<dc:creator>Full Product Release &#124; Open Source Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Prototype II, to the soil pulverizer, to the first prototype of the automatic CEB controls, to beta version product release with manual controls, to the second prototype of automatic CEB controls, to initial results for the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to Prototype II, to the soil pulverizer, to the first prototype of the automatic CEB controls, to beta version product release with manual controls, to the second prototype of automatic CEB controls, to initial results for the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Open Source Permaculture and Local Food Systems &#8211; Open Source Ecology &#124; The Green Life</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-64793</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Source Permaculture and Local Food Systems &#8211; Open Source Ecology &#124; The Green Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 22:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Product &#124; Open Source Ecology [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wood-Fired Automobile &#171; permatechie</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-57879</link>
		<dc:creator>Wood-Fired Automobile &#171; permatechie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] worlds most sustainable and appropriate solar battery- wood and to run mechanized machinery like open source compressed earth block presses, open tractors and community buses. Open GEK Gasifier    &#9654; No Responses   /* 0) { [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] worlds most sustainable and appropriate solar battery- wood and to run mechanized machinery like open source compressed earth block presses, open tractors and community buses. Open GEK Gasifier    &#9654; No Responses   /* 0) { [...]</p>
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		<title>By: troy davies</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-55123</link>
		<dc:creator>troy davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  I&#039;m impressed!  I will be in the near future building CEB/Strawbale Houses with my friend and mentor (Henry) up here in Canada.  CEB is fairly new to my so I&#039;m fairly green.  Henry tells me he has had 2 machines and like the secongd one ALOT better (although it cost almost twice as much.. $70.000) because it produces a much more consistanly sized block.  As this is not &#039;masoned&#039; together (allowing forgivness) I can see this being very important.  My question is what seems to be the typical size difference with your blocks?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  I&#8217;m impressed!  I will be in the near future building CEB/Strawbale Houses with my friend and mentor (Henry) up here in Canada.  CEB is fairly new to my so I&#8217;m fairly green.  Henry tells me he has had 2 machines and like the secongd one ALOT better (although it cost almost twice as much.. $70.000) because it produces a much more consistanly sized block.  As this is not &#8216;masoned&#8217; together (allowing forgivness) I can see this being very important.  My question is what seems to be the typical size difference with your blocks?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Press Free Enterprise &#124; Open Source Ecology</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-52836</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Press Free Enterprise &#124; Open Source Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the Free Press Free Enterprise, and a call-out to co-developers. Abstract: We have achieved product release of a manually-controlled, high-performance, hydraulic Compresssed Eearth Brick (CEB) press, The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the Free Press Free Enterprise, and a call-out to co-developers. Abstract: We have achieved product release of a manually-controlled, high-performance, hydraulic Compresssed Eearth Brick (CEB) press, The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Initial CEB Automation Results &#124; Open Source Ecology</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-52056</link>
		<dc:creator>Initial CEB Automation Results &#124; Open Source Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is captured in this brick production rate table, featuring manual and automatic control runs for The Liberator Compressed Earth Brick (CEB) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is captured in this brick production rate table, featuring manual and automatic control runs for The Liberator Compressed Earth Brick (CEB) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RepLab &#8211; the Open Source Fab Lab &#124; Open Source Ecology</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-51826</link>
		<dc:creator>RepLab &#8211; the Open Source Fab Lab &#124; Open Source Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reduction is feasible via open source development &#8211; RepRap has shown 66, The Liberator has shown 10, and many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reduction is feasible via open source development &#8211; RepRap has shown 66, The Liberator has shown 10, and many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Report From FSCONS 2009 &#124; Open Source Ecology</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-51679</link>
		<dc:creator>Report From FSCONS 2009 &#124; Open Source Ecology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have a couple more True Fans signed up from the conference. Combined with new interest from the Product Release, we have 6 new True Fans since Nov. 1, and an overall total of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have a couple more True Fans signed up from the conference. Combined with new interest from the Product Release, we have 6 new True Fans since Nov. 1, and an overall total of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-50715</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that machine has came aways in a year. way to keep on it. i gotsta come try it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that machine has came aways in a year. way to keep on it. i gotsta come try it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Pawel Sroczynski</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-50580</link>
		<dc:creator>Pawel Sroczynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What software are you going to use in making technical drawings (as we all know, open-source AutoCAD-clones sux!) ? Will they go in modification-ready files (.dwg, .dxf ?) or fixed .pdf ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What software are you going to use in making technical drawings (as we all know, open-source AutoCAD-clones sux!) ? Will they go in modification-ready files (.dwg, .dxf ?) or fixed .pdf ?</p>
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		<title>By: Aigars Bruvelis</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-50226</link>
		<dc:creator>Aigars Bruvelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize. I did not mean to be discouraging. Its just that I have seen so many times things, that has potential to benefit society, ending up transforming into self awarding businesses. 
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I can do 3D Blender, but no technical drawings... yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize. I did not mean to be discouraging. Its just that I have seen so many times things, that has potential to benefit society, ending up transforming into self awarding businesses.<br />
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I can do 3D Blender, but no technical drawings&#8230; yet.</p>
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		<title>By: The Raging Nerds &#187; Unlimited Building Materials, $5500</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-50094</link>
		<dc:creator>The Raging Nerds &#187; Unlimited Building Materials, $5500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Inventing a New Civilization on a Shoestring Budget&#8221; and their newest announcement,  a Compressed Earth Block (CEB) Press, could definitely start the process here in the Southwest, Latin America and Africa, maybe even the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Inventing a New Civilization on a Shoestring Budget&#8221; and their newest announcement,  a Compressed Earth Block (CEB) Press, could definitely start the process here in the Southwest, Latin America and Africa, maybe even the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Loos</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-50087</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Loos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Aigars post should be rewritten as follows:

&quot;Thank you Marcin for inventing an incredible machine that is going to build many homes in the future. I know you have spent hundreds of hours and much sweat and toil building it. I will buy a machine from you sometime in the future when I have a need. I can then copy the design or improve it freely thanks to your open license. Maybe you can possibly give me a discount if I spend tens of hours creating new documentation for you on my home computer!&quot;

There. That sounds better.

Seriously now. This machine is an incredible first step. Marcin, don&#039;t stress on the documentation. It will come together in time. 

Maybe there should be a time limit for projects like this (like a year or so) before documentation gets released. This gives the inventor time to recoup his LABOR and MONEY investment from equipment sales.

If the inventor sells one or two machines and feels compensated, then he or she could release the docs early. It&#039;s really up to the project inventors. It&#039;s Marcin&#039;s game. he gets to set the rules.

When you buy a car, you don&#039;t complain to GM about not getting the blueprints. I know, closed source vs. open source blah blah.

This is the 21st century. People need to get fairly compensated...PAID for their ideas and labor....upfront. 

Go down to MO and check out the machine for yourself. Buy one. Be happy the Marcin gives you license to replicate and improve the machine. There&#039;s your open source.

Buy a GM car, then try to sell copies of it.

Bah, enough of all that.

Marcin, congratulations on the product release! I live in the land of Adobe brick. A few commercial machines are made here. They seem to be nowhere near what you have developed. I will be purchasing one of yours as soon as I get the cash together. In the future when I own some property locally I will only be building with Adobe. It&#039;s the only real human way to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Aigars post should be rewritten as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thank you Marcin for inventing an incredible machine that is going to build many homes in the future. I know you have spent hundreds of hours and much sweat and toil building it. I will buy a machine from you sometime in the future when I have a need. I can then copy the design or improve it freely thanks to your open license. Maybe you can possibly give me a discount if I spend tens of hours creating new documentation for you on my home computer!&#8221;</p>
<p>There. That sounds better.</p>
<p>Seriously now. This machine is an incredible first step. Marcin, don&#8217;t stress on the documentation. It will come together in time. </p>
<p>Maybe there should be a time limit for projects like this (like a year or so) before documentation gets released. This gives the inventor time to recoup his LABOR and MONEY investment from equipment sales.</p>
<p>If the inventor sells one or two machines and feels compensated, then he or she could release the docs early. It&#8217;s really up to the project inventors. It&#8217;s Marcin&#8217;s game. he gets to set the rules.</p>
<p>When you buy a car, you don&#8217;t complain to GM about not getting the blueprints. I know, closed source vs. open source blah blah.</p>
<p>This is the 21st century. People need to get fairly compensated&#8230;PAID for their ideas and labor&#8230;.upfront. </p>
<p>Go down to MO and check out the machine for yourself. Buy one. Be happy the Marcin gives you license to replicate and improve the machine. There&#8217;s your open source.</p>
<p>Buy a GM car, then try to sell copies of it.</p>
<p>Bah, enough of all that.</p>
<p>Marcin, congratulations on the product release! I live in the land of Adobe brick. A few commercial machines are made here. They seem to be nowhere near what you have developed. I will be purchasing one of yours as soon as I get the cash together. In the future when I own some property locally I will only be building with Adobe. It&#8217;s the only real human way to build.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-11-05 &#171; brentcu</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-49926</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-11-05 &#171; brentcu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Product &#124; Open Source Ecology Congratulations, folks. They shipped the Beta of their Compressed Earth Block Press. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marcin</title>
		<link>http://blog.opensourceecology.org/2009/11/product/comment-page-1/#comment-49924</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toke, thanks for the correction. The date should read November 1, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toke, thanks for the correction. The date should read November 1, 2009.</p>
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